If you want to have a second pair of interceptors available in case another unknown contact shows up whilst the first pair is on a call-out, this number climbs to twelve total aircraft. For our interceptors this means that you'll need at least six aircraft to ensure that you can have two sitting on alert at all times. For every one unit of a sufficiently complex system (aircraft, helicopters, warships, etc.) to be available around the clock, you need three in total: One on stand-by, one working up to operational status, and one down for maintenance, repair, etc. For that to happen, you need to take into consideration the "Rule of 3" when it comes to complex military equipment. That also means that these two aircraft will need to be ready to go 24/7/365. This means that in the case of an unknown aircraft detected approaching Irish air space, two fighters would be scrambled to intercept the intruder. So it is only fair to assume a flight of two fighter aircraft as the basic tactical element in an air force. You can see that outlined in the intercept procedures published by the FAA which I'll be using as an example here: National Security and Interception Procedures (faa.gov) Beyond interceptions, fighter tactics and procedures have generally evolved around a two-ship formation, going back all the way to WW1. I went through the numbers way back in the early days of this thread, but I think it bears repeating.įor starters, interception procedures are generally designed around two aircraft, with one aircraft communicating with the target and the other one hanging back and providing cover for the first in case things go sideways. I see where you're coming from, but even for a simple air policing mission, the number of aircraft you'll need is going to be higher than just the 4-6 aircraft you mentioned. Future attitudes can be determined (within the bounds of the forum rules) by subsequent postings. ![]() A simple "This has been discussed earlier in the thread, and rejected because." will get the person up to speed. You may have dealt with the argument a dozen times before, but it can still be offputting to readers and make the forum seem decidedly cliquish. The reality is that this thread is over 100 pages long, and people may jump in without having gone through the whole thread. If you have any questions on the above, I do respond to OTHERS All the above notwithstanding, as I look back over Truth's appearance on this thread which started this all off, I am compelled to note that the response of immediate hostility to a poster coming in with arguments shot down previously is not an acceptable one. Focusing purely on this hypothetical, which all here agree is not a current priority, is distracting and will be considered further trolling. (That said, "Defend the State against armed aggression" is the first directed task of the Defence Forces, so it's not beyond consideration: "ongoing assessment" is also part of the directive). ![]() There are more arguments at hand in this thread than just defending Ireland against a total invasion by some foreign power, and this thread makes little reference to such an event. If you believe the government-mandated taskings need changing, that is not a subject for this thread, and arguably should be in "Politics." There are a couple of Irish military-related threads which exist there. ![]() "Materiel" is only part of a DOTMLPF analysis, after all, there are six other possibilities to consider, which may prove less costly. If you believe that the Irish military can achieve its government-mandated taskings by methods other than acquisition of fighter aircraft, you may of course provide the alternatives for discussion. Now, for future reference: This is not a thread for advocating the merits or cost-benefits of the Health Service or the Gardai. This forum presumes that the military is a given. If you have issue with the DF or its personnel as a concept, then take it to where it belongs in the "Politics" subforum. Thus you have merely been awarded an infraction for the pure trolling/insulting commentary in post 3874. In the I have a general policy of being lenient, once. In future if I don't respond one way or another to a report within two or three days (I will often message a reporter as to why no action is being taken, if such is my decision), please tag me as Banie did above. ![]() Turns out the reported post notifications went into my spam folder.
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